Comments on: a response to the charge that YS is embracing eastern religion

By: Timothy Taylor

Timothy Taylor — Sun, 11 Jul 2010 17:24:43 +0000

I found this page by typing in the phrase “Christianity is an Eastern religion.” I am an Orthodox Christian and am proud to say that yes Christianity is an eastern religion. I don’t think anyone would argue that Palestine, Turkey, Lebanon, Syria and all the other strongholds of the earliest known Christian communites are located in the west. Christ himself is called the “Sunrise of the East.” I am heartened to see Evangelical Christians moving toward a mystical form of Christianity, which is what it has been since the beginning. The use of the repetition of the name of God goes back to the prophets and the use of the “prayer of Jesus,” the repeated invocation of God using His name, which is Jesus, has roots in the earliest Christian writings. Could it not be that the practices of the East, even in such ways as Krishna consciousness, which could have been a perversion of the Christianity which was taught to them and mixed with hinduism, could be the devil’s counterfeit to the real mystical truth which the devil would have experienced before his fall? I write all this in the hope that you will, in your explorations, investigate the mystical sprituality of the Orthodox Church. Do not worry about your critics, there have been biblical rationalists since the beginning, trying to cut out the mystical truths of the faith and they have always failed and been condemned as heretics by the Church.

By: youthworkerpete

youthworkerpete — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:26:41 +0000

I struggle with some of the arguments against contemplative prayer.

Firstly, the idea that a Christian, saved by Jesus, is in danger of some kind of spirit because they choose to stretch has no theological justification in my mind!

Secondly, to people who say ‘is contemplative prayer in the bible’, well I don’t know, but I could imagine its not by name. But nor is the hymn sandwhich many churches use, nor are paid ministers in the New Testament.

But what I struggle with most is the judgemental attitude of some who posted here. I would like to believe that if a good arguement were posted I would change my mind. Sadly comparing Christian spiritual practices to witchcraft and the occult is not a good argument. How many religions sing songs to their God? How many football crowds sing songs to their team? Is sung worship therefore occult or secular?

By: Mike

Mike — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:56:40 +0000

Well obviously secret, is entrenched in witchcraft , so lets not be deceived.Its a sad humor to see so may people being deceived, from looking to the pope to think they can twist and contort the scriptures to try and legitimize these deceptive practices birthed in hell.A wicked and perverse generation seek after a sign.The Master said it on the cross IT IS FINISHED!! there is no need to add anything to the WORD OF GOD. You are complete in Him, by faith not experience.

By: the secret

the secret — Thu, 22 May 2008 15:06:12 +0000

Loving: “ Love is the highest energy and the most powerful one of all. In intending, there must be love so that creativity and abundance can take place. Love is the expression of you to grow and become what you are capable of being. For instance, if you are not doing what you love, you are actually moving away from the The Power of Intention. You begin to attract more dissatisfaction, disharmony and darkness into your life. On the other hand, if you love what you do, you are at the highest state of creation.”

By: Richard Abanes

Richard Abanes — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:19:57 +0000

A bit late in coming, but I now have several articles up dealing with Lighthouse Trails and their slander campaign — see http://abanes.com/lighthouseintro.html .

Most of my comments deal with how they have repeatedly misrepresented Rick Warren and related issues (which would included YS). You might also find some interesting and relevant information in my list of materials on Warren that cover many of his critics, who seem to be from the same heresy-hunting gene pool as the ones going after YS. It’s kind of interesting (see http://abanes.com/myarticles.html , under Rick Warren).

R. Abanes

By: Julian A Lopez

Julian A Lopez — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 15:42:47 +0000

Well, I streched all the time when I do some kind of exer. but I don’t associate it with yoga. Yes, Hindi, Bud, have no god that exist that we know of. But again, this religions behind it no doubt in mind is no other than Satan. Any cultic, or mystic, or any eastern religions, behind it is no other than the mighty Satan. Now I know many Christians will argue that there is no harm done, but, again, if it is not written in the Bible, it is most likely, Satan the adversary is the one brewing it.

But every person is accountable to what they do, so if you are a Christian and want to associate yourself to yoga garbage, this it is your business, and try to explain that to Jesus Christ, when you face Him in the future. Chow, for me, Yoga is nothing but a clever way for Satan to trap those back slidden Christians.

By: Chuck

Chuck — Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:36:20 +0000

Lighthouse Trails hasn’t gotten back to me on my accusations because Deborah is too busy to police her own helpers because she is too busy attacking others.

A forum was set up by another to help promote Deborah’s site and the board owner holds a false view of the Trinity. Deborah has said she would go to her pastor(s)about it but she hasn’t gotten back to me. The hypocricy is more about making money at publishing books about others’ heresy instead of being concerned about heresy in her own camp.

By: karen

karen — Thu, 06 Jul 2006 14:29:23 +0000

marko, you basically have said here that since you don’t believe hindu Gods exist then what is there to fear? I think that this thought of yours is at the root of the problem as to why you think Yoga is harmless when used the way you find it to be harmless. Definitely, if you don’t believe “hindu gods” exist than I do see you would not fear yoga. The problem is they do exist, not as gods but as demon spirits. Some call them gods, the bible calls them false gods or demon, anti-christ spirits. And they do exist and they are not harmless, as you suppose. And when we willingly involve ourselves with them, it is an abomination to the Lord. YOUR “slight” problem is that you are causing many to stumble and you don’t know it and they don’t now it. It has SOMETHING to do with that spirit of delusion that God has sent in the last days. karen

By: ELIZABETH HAMMONDS

ELIZABETH HAMMONDS — Sun, 02 Jul 2006 10:00:26 +0000

DEAR MARKO;
BLESSINGS BROTHER AS MY HEART GOES OUT TO YOU IN YOUR EFFORT TO BRING THE ACCURACY OF GODS WORD INTO THE LIGHT AND NOT THE TRADITIONS OF MEN. YES! ON YOUR POINT OF FACT THAT CHRISTIANITY IS EASTERN AS IS JUDISM, HINDUISM, ISLAM AND THE FAR EAST FAITHS. NOW THIS IS A CULTURAL PERSPECTIVE NOT A SPIRITUAL ONE, MEANING TO UNDERSTAND THE INTERPRETATION OF THE BIBLE, AS IT IS NOT OPEN TO PERSONAL INTERPERTATION,1PETER 1:20 “KNOWING THIS FIRST THAT NO PROPHECY OF THE SCRIPTURE IS OF ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION” – ONE MUST UNDERSTAND THE CULTURE IN WHICH IS IS PRESENTED NOT FILTER IT THROUGH ANOTHER CULTURE ESPECIALLY ONE THAT IS SO OPPOSITE TO THE ONE IN WHICH GOD GAVE HIS HOLY WORD TO. OUR SOCIETY IS ROMANIC IN ITS ORIGIN A WESTERNIZED CULTURE WHERE THE BIBLE IS EASTERN IN ITS PERSPECTIVE. IF WE DO NOT STUDY TO SHOW THY SELVES APPROVED RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH (EXCERPT 2 TIM 2:15) WE PUT OUR SELVES IN DANGER OF FOLLOWING SEDUCING SPIRITS AND DOCTRINES OF MEN. THIS DOES NOT MEAN WE MEDITATE ON INNACURATE SPIRITUAL TEACHINGS THAT COULD DO US HARM. THE BLOOD COVENANT WITH JESUS, THE RESSURECTED SON OF GOD, IS STILL THE ONLY WAY WE ARE INVITED INTO THE FAMILY OF THE MOST HIGH GOD. WE MUST HOWEVER, STUDY TO WHO THE WORD WAS DELIEVRED AND HOW THEY AT THE TIME UNDERSTOOD IT. WE NEED TO CAREFULLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH IF WE DO BELIEVE IT IS THE WORD OF TRUTH AND MUST GIVE IT ITS FULL RESPECT. THIS AGAIN INCLUDES ITS CULTURE, TO WHOM THE BIBLE WAS GIVEN TO, HOW THEY UNDERSTOOD IT AND INTERPRETING THE WORD BY VERSE, CONTEXT, AND WHERE IT IS USED BEFORE, INTERPRETING THE WORD BY THE WORD. PLEASE BROTHERS AND SISTERS LETS SHOW OUR FATHER OUR FULL LOVE AND RESPECT TO HIM AND NOT OURSELVES AND CAST OFF ANY PRECONCIEVED NOTIONS OR DOCTRINES ABOUT HIS PRECIOUS WORD AND LETS START WITH A HUMBLE HEART TO FIND OUT WHAT GOD SAYS AND NOT WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD HE SAYS. AGAPE AND BLESSINGS UPON ALL OF THE FAMILY OF GOD

ELIZABETH HAMMONDS

By: Jimmy O'Rourke

Jimmy O'Rourke — Wed, 19 Apr 2006 05:22:11 +0000

I challenge anyone on this site to provide me biblical support for contemplative prayer (i.e. “the silence”, “centering prayer”). Because some monks in the third century utilized this form of mind-emptying occultic practice, is hardly evidence that it is condoned in the Bible.

Jimmy