Comments on: worst church idea of the month award http://whyismarko.com/2005/worst-church-idea-of-the-month-award/ life, faith, youth ministry, emerging church, leadership, whimsy Wed, 16 May 2012 14:27:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Matt http://whyismarko.com/2005/worst-church-idea-of-the-month-award/comment-page-1/#comment-747002 Matt Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:30:44 +0000 http://www.ysmarko.com/?p=158#comment-747002 Wow, you have heard that too? I interviewed at a church like that. I think I had the same initial reaction you did. The pastor explained the "pay grade" and told me that based on the size of the youth group my starting salary would be, well lets say it wouldn't be worth it. In my mind I thought, "It would be better to be a volunteer and least I could have the satisfaction of service." Forget the fact that the pastor ran the the previous guy out and started the domino effect which really cause the demise of the youth ministry. I guess it would make someone dedicated. As you can tell I think it is a poor way the shepherd leadership, so before someone thinks I am just judging the individual let me say, I don't have a problem with the person rather the philosophy. If a ministry leader (the employee) is being motivated by salary and fear of providing for a himself and family then the Pastor is could actually be encouraging that ministry leader to serve for false reasons. I guess though this pastor does have the right, an individual does have a choice despite how poor the idea is. Wow, you have heard that too? I interviewed at a church like that. I think I had the same initial reaction you did. The pastor explained the “pay grade” and told me that based on the size of the youth group my starting salary would be, well lets say it wouldn’t be worth it. In my mind I thought, “It would be better to be a volunteer and least I could have the satisfaction of service.” Forget the fact that the pastor ran the the previous guy out and started the domino effect which really cause the demise of the youth ministry. I guess it would make someone dedicated.

As you can tell I think it is a poor way the shepherd leadership, so before someone thinks I am just judging the individual let me say, I don’t have a problem with the person rather the philosophy. If a ministry leader (the employee) is being motivated by salary and fear of providing for a himself and family then the Pastor is could actually be encouraging that ministry leader to serve for false reasons.

I guess though this pastor does have the right, an individual does have a choice despite how poor the idea is.

]]> By: jolynn http://whyismarko.com/2005/worst-church-idea-of-the-month-award/comment-page-1/#comment-7076 jolynn Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:30:13 +0000 http://www.ysmarko.com/?p=158#comment-7076 no one knows that mans heart but god him self maybe he is greedy maybe he ant true to the cause maybe he is selfish or maybe he is at the end of his rope for options to bring the flock in or maybe he is that determand to get the gospal out no one knows his true reason for what he said but him and the lord but who are we to judge him let he who is without sin cast the first stone. no one knows that mans heart but god him self maybe he is greedy maybe he ant true to the cause maybe he is selfish or maybe he is at the end of his rope for options to bring the flock in or maybe he is that determand to get the gospal out no one knows his true reason for what he said but him and the lord but who are we to judge him let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

]]> By: Ed http://whyismarko.com/2005/worst-church-idea-of-the-month-award/comment-page-1/#comment-2673 Ed Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:35:53 +0000 http://www.ysmarko.com/?p=158#comment-2673 I worked for a pastor who had the same philosophy. I think that it is a control issue more than a way to motivate someone. I worked for a pastor who had the same philosophy. I think that it is a control issue more than a way to motivate someone.

]]> By: Ryan http://whyismarko.com/2005/worst-church-idea-of-the-month-award/comment-page-1/#comment-1598 Ryan Sat, 05 Nov 2005 18:56:27 +0000 http://www.ysmarko.com/?p=158#comment-1598 Well if that works maybe we should have membership fees for church, that would make people want to put more in so they could get more out. or we could just pay them to come. Well if that works maybe we should have membership fees for church, that would make people want to put more in so they could get more out. or we could just pay them to come.

]]> By: aaron http://whyismarko.com/2005/worst-church-idea-of-the-month-award/comment-page-1/#comment-1129 aaron Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:22:37 +0000 http://www.ysmarko.com/?p=158#comment-1129 holy crap. holy crap.

]]> By: Clint Walker http://whyismarko.com/2005/worst-church-idea-of-the-month-award/comment-page-1/#comment-1115 Clint Walker Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:07:11 +0000 http://www.ysmarko.com/?p=158#comment-1115 I think it would depend actually, Shawn. I guess I just look at things like, am I being compensated fairly? What is the church income and ability for compensation? How is this church treating me otherwise? In my previous call, I had a stronger attendance in our youth ministry, but compensation was less. (the attendance at youth and young adult groups was equal to about half of worship attendance) People were pleased with my ministry, but compensation was not completely based on performance. But you are probably right that if a church has the ability to compensate, but does not, I see that as an issue of how the church feels about my value to them. I think it would depend actually, Shawn.

I guess I just look at things like, am I being compensated fairly? What is the church income and ability for compensation? How is this church treating me otherwise?

In my previous call, I had a stronger attendance in our youth ministry, but compensation was less. (the attendance at youth and young adult groups was equal to about half of worship attendance) People were pleased with my ministry, but compensation was not completely based on performance.

But you are probably right that if a church has the ability to compensate, but does not, I see that as an issue of how the church feels about my value to them.

]]> By: Shawn Raloff http://whyismarko.com/2005/worst-church-idea-of-the-month-award/comment-page-1/#comment-1112 Shawn Raloff Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:13:31 +0000 http://www.ysmarko.com/?p=158#comment-1112 Small church pastors get paid less than big church pastors right? If you only have experience with a small church you’re not going to get hired to Pastor a big church and your salary is going to be lower. We already pay based on performance; this guy is just making it known. How many of you who pastor a small church now would get a raise if your church grew? How many of you would leave if you didn’t? That is what I thought… Small church pastors get paid less than big church pastors right? If you only have experience with a small church you’re not going to get hired to Pastor a big church and your salary is going to be lower.

We already pay based on performance; this guy is just making it known. How many of you who pastor a small church now would get a raise if your church grew? How many of you would leave if you didn’t?

That is what I thought…

]]> By: Captive Thoughts » Woah…but at least he’s honest http://whyismarko.com/2005/worst-church-idea-of-the-month-award/comment-page-1/#comment-1108 Captive Thoughts » Woah…but at least he’s honest Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:30:17 +0000 http://www.ysmarko.com/?p=158#comment-1108 [...] t got this tidbit of info off a favorite site of mine, Church Marketing Sucks. It is from Mark Oestreicher’s blog. Worst Church Idea of the Month an pastor said to me that he loves to try new thin [...] [...] t got this tidbit of info off a favorite site of mine, Church Marketing Sucks. It is from Mark Oestreicher’s blog. Worst Church Idea of the Month an pastor said to me that he loves to try new thin [...]

]]> By: Rich Kirkpatrick's Weblog http://whyismarko.com/2005/worst-church-idea-of-the-month-award/comment-page-1/#comment-1106 Rich Kirkpatrick's Weblog Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:25:44 +0000 http://www.ysmarko.com/?p=158#comment-1106 <strong>Good Idea?: Pastors Pay Based on Performance</strong> I came across this from the Church Marketing Sucks blog. Well, since I am a pastor (by profession for a bit now), this hits right at home. I think that to judge a pastor's pay by numbers is indeed a Good Idea?: Pastors Pay Based on Performance

I came across this from the Church Marketing Sucks blog. Well, since I am a pastor (by profession for a bit now), this hits right at home. I think that to judge a pastor’s pay by numbers is indeed a

]]> By: Eric http://whyismarko.com/2005/worst-church-idea-of-the-month-award/comment-page-1/#comment-1102 Eric Sun, 09 Oct 2005 21:34:05 +0000 http://www.ysmarko.com/?p=158#comment-1102 Hmmm...can you say Amway??? I knew you could. And they thing Harry Potter is a threat to the church! Eric Hmmm…can you say Amway??? I knew you could.

And they thing Harry Potter is a threat to the church!

Eric

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