Comments on: clarification on ysmarko and battle cry and me and ron luce and all that http://whyismarko.com/2007/clarification-on-ysmarko-and-battle-cry-and-me-and-ron-luce-and-all-that/ life, faith, youth ministry, emerging church, leadership, whimsy Sat, 19 May 2012 12:29:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: ysmarko http://whyismarko.com/2007/clarification-on-ysmarko-and-battle-cry-and-me-and-ron-luce-and-all-that/comment-page-1/#comment-407436 ysmarko Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:49:13 +0000 http://www.ysmarko.com/?p=1414#comment-407436 [...] in my ongoing search to be more true to who god is calling me to be, i keep running into people for whom i’ve been attaching evil motivation for years. i was this way with ron luce until we had our come-to-jesus in echo park. and i could list a dozen or more other examples. it struck me, standing there in church, not singing, head down, that i was doing the same thing to rick warren. silly thing is, i don’t disagree with rick on hardly anything! i have a deep respect for saddleback, and am very close friends with at least three people on staff there. [...] [...] in my ongoing search to be more true to who god is calling me to be, i keep running into people for whom i’ve been attaching evil motivation for years. i was this way with ron luce until we had our come-to-jesus in echo park. and i could list a dozen or more other examples. it struck me, standing there in church, not singing, head down, that i was doing the same thing to rick warren. silly thing is, i don’t disagree with rick on hardly anything! i have a deep respect for saddleback, and am very close friends with at least three people on staff there. [...]

]]> By: Fuel for the Battle? « Confessions of a Human Being http://whyismarko.com/2007/clarification-on-ysmarko-and-battle-cry-and-me-and-ron-luce-and-all-that/comment-page-1/#comment-184658 Fuel for the Battle? « Confessions of a Human Being Sat, 19 May 2007 02:52:26 +0000 http://www.ysmarko.com/?p=1414#comment-184658 [...] Fuel for the Battle? 17 05 2007 I was surfing the web this evening before posting myself, and the train of thought amongst most of the bloggers I follow normally is that if outcry against the Battle Cry movement. You can read Tim’s thoughts, Stuart’s thoughts, Sandy’s thoughts, as well as an older one from Marko. (Sorry if I did not properly track back to you guys, I don’t get to spend enough time playing around on here.) You can also read an article from RS here, just remember that RS is notoriously liberal in its political views and narrow-minded when it comes to matters of faith, so read it with a grain of salt. So in lieu of my original post, I decided to weigh in myself on the subject. Please allow the thoughts to stir genuine thought inside your heart and mind, and if you genuinely disagree with my points, feel free to comment in an appropriate, Christ-centered manner. [...] [...] Fuel for the Battle? 17 05 2007 I was surfing the web this evening before posting myself, and the train of thought amongst most of the bloggers I follow normally is that if outcry against the Battle Cry movement. You can read Tim’s thoughts, Stuart’s thoughts, Sandy’s thoughts, as well as an older one from Marko. (Sorry if I did not properly track back to you guys, I don’t get to spend enough time playing around on here.) You can also read an article from RS here, just remember that RS is notoriously liberal in its political views and narrow-minded when it comes to matters of faith, so read it with a grain of salt. So in lieu of my original post, I decided to weigh in myself on the subject. Please allow the thoughts to stir genuine thought inside your heart and mind, and if you genuinely disagree with my points, feel free to comment in an appropriate, Christ-centered manner. [...]

]]> By: Brian http://whyismarko.com/2007/clarification-on-ysmarko-and-battle-cry-and-me-and-ron-luce-and-all-that/comment-page-1/#comment-140008 Brian Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:59:36 +0000 http://www.ysmarko.com/?p=1414#comment-140008 Marko, not sure if you saw this: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/14021621/teenage_holy_war Marko, not sure if you saw this:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/14021621/teenage_holy_war

]]> By: Topherspoon http://whyismarko.com/2007/clarification-on-ysmarko-and-battle-cry-and-me-and-ron-luce-and-all-that/comment-page-1/#comment-112037 Topherspoon Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:52:38 +0000 http://www.ysmarko.com/?p=1414#comment-112037 Marko, You are my hero! YS is quite possibly the biggest best resource that exists for youth ministers across the board. Your blog is refreshing and encouraging to me. Thanks for taking risks, being real, and transparent. ATF / BattleCry creeps me out just a little, but I know so many other ministries that have totally been blessed and encouraged by their efforts. Keep working together. I hope you and I can cry together one day. Maybe you could use your hair and wash my feet? Am I creeping you out yet? Thanks for the laughter, tears, and challenges. Keep blogging. Marko, You are my hero! YS is quite possibly the biggest best resource that exists for youth ministers across the board. Your blog is refreshing and encouraging to me. Thanks for taking risks, being real, and transparent. ATF / BattleCry creeps me out just a little, but I know so many other ministries that have totally been blessed and encouraged by their efforts. Keep working together. I hope you and I can cry together one day. Maybe you could use your hair and wash my feet? Am I creeping you out yet? Thanks for the laughter, tears, and challenges. Keep blogging.

]]> By: Scott http://whyismarko.com/2007/clarification-on-ysmarko-and-battle-cry-and-me-and-ron-luce-and-all-that/comment-page-1/#comment-111996 Scott Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:13:37 +0000 http://www.ysmarko.com/?p=1414#comment-111996 There is a cry that needs to be heard across this country and in the church, but it is not one of battle against each other. The cry that needs to be heard is that of Christ as He weeps for our distortion of His Gospel. Seems like I do remember Christ telling Peter in the garden of Gethsemane to put away his sword… There is a cry that needs to be heard across this country and in the church, but it is not one of battle against each other. The cry that needs to be heard is that of Christ as He weeps for our distortion of His Gospel. Seems like I do remember Christ telling Peter in the garden of Gethsemane to put away his sword…

]]> By: ken http://whyismarko.com/2007/clarification-on-ysmarko-and-battle-cry-and-me-and-ron-luce-and-all-that/comment-page-1/#comment-111991 ken Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:04:10 +0000 http://www.ysmarko.com/?p=1414#comment-111991 Hey, Marko - thanks for saying this. Hey, Marko – thanks for saying this.

]]> By: Kathy http://whyismarko.com/2007/clarification-on-ysmarko-and-battle-cry-and-me-and-ron-luce-and-all-that/comment-page-1/#comment-111706 Kathy Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:23:52 +0000 http://www.ysmarko.com/?p=1414#comment-111706 . . . and here I was thinking you just like to hang out with goofball teenagers so you could spray root beer through your nose without looking like a compelte idiot. . . I'm so disillusioned!! Thank you, and BLESS YOU, for putting yourself out there. . . . and here I was thinking you just like to hang out with goofball teenagers so you could spray root beer through your nose without looking like a compelte idiot. . . I’m so disillusioned!!

Thank you, and BLESS YOU, for putting yourself out there.

]]> By: Tim Hower http://whyismarko.com/2007/clarification-on-ysmarko-and-battle-cry-and-me-and-ron-luce-and-all-that/comment-page-1/#comment-111419 Tim Hower Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:27:40 +0000 http://www.ysmarko.com/?p=1414#comment-111419 Thank you Mark for directly addressing my question. You were correct the article was from the journal of student ministries not from group magazine. My apologies for not having researched that harder and gotten it correct. I originally looked for the link but not hard enough. Here it is- http://www.youthspecialties.com/articles/topics/culture/mourningoverym.pdf This was available as a separate handout on the table at the Core training in Grand Rapids a few weeks ago. It was also linked to from the YS weekly newsletter soon after being published last fall and it was a featured link on the YS website and is still there. I know the standard disclaimer about links on YS site and in the newsletter but the fact that its on a YS server and has a big logo saying "this article brought to you free from YS" seems to me like an endorsement from YS for the article. Thank you Mark for directly addressing my question. You were correct the article was from the journal of student ministries not from group magazine. My apologies for not having researched that harder and gotten it correct. I originally looked for the link but not hard enough. Here it is- http://www.youthspecialties.com/articles/topics/culture/mourningoverym.pdf
This was available as a separate handout on the table at the Core training in Grand Rapids a few weeks ago. It was also linked to from the YS weekly newsletter soon after being published last fall and it was a featured link on the YS website and is still there. I know the standard disclaimer about links on YS site and in the newsletter but the fact that its on a YS server and has a big logo saying “this article brought to you free from YS” seems to me like an endorsement from YS for the article.

]]> By: Shawn http://whyismarko.com/2007/clarification-on-ysmarko-and-battle-cry-and-me-and-ron-luce-and-all-that/comment-page-1/#comment-111368 Shawn Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:28:47 +0000 http://www.ysmarko.com/?p=1414#comment-111368 Thanks Marko for showing me how to be a better youth minister and a better person. Sometimes I get caught up in my way is the best way. It impresses me that you talked to Ron personally! God Bless you! Thanks Marko for showing me how to be a better youth minister and a better person. Sometimes I get caught up in my way is the best way. It impresses me that you talked to Ron personally!
God Bless you!

]]> By: phil http://whyismarko.com/2007/clarification-on-ysmarko-and-battle-cry-and-me-and-ron-luce-and-all-that/comment-page-1/#comment-111294 phil Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:39:23 +0000 http://www.ysmarko.com/?p=1414#comment-111294 i think it's all been stated pretty clearly thus far, and i agree with most of what's been said...many different strategies (some i agree with and some not so much...but that's MY opininon). Marko, i appreciate your honesty. and i concur...YS and you...two separate beings...i'm picturing, what is it? a ven diagram? the 2 overlapping circles. You have my blessing to continue to use this as Mark Oestricher's place. You may carry on! i think it’s all been stated pretty clearly thus far, and i agree with most of what’s been said…many different strategies (some i agree with and some not so much…but that’s MY opininon).

Marko, i appreciate your honesty. and i concur…YS and you…two separate beings…i’m picturing, what is it? a ven diagram? the 2 overlapping circles. You have my blessing to continue to use this as Mark Oestricher’s place. You may carry on!

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