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	<title>Comments on: faith and certainty</title>
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		<title>By: mikey</title>
		<link>http://whyismarko.com/2007/faith-and-certainty/comment-page-1/#comment-72378</link>
		<dc:creator>mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 12:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you can&#039;t see the video, it&#039;s probably because you don&#039;t have QuickTime loaded on your computer (Apple&#039;s video player). Go here to download free (from the left column):
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/win.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you can&#8217;t see the video, it&#8217;s probably because you don&#8217;t have QuickTime loaded on your computer (Apple&#8217;s video player). Go here to download free (from the left column):<br />
<a href="http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/win.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/win.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Think Christian &#187; Blog Archive &#187; God on late late night TV</title>
		<link>http://whyismarko.com/2007/faith-and-certainty/comment-page-1/#comment-72377</link>
		<dc:creator>Think Christian &#187; Blog Archive &#187; God on late late night TV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 11:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Pedro</title>
		<link>http://whyismarko.com/2007/faith-and-certainty/comment-page-1/#comment-72247</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 02:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin Luther described faith as, &quot; Faith is a living, bold trust in God&#039;s grace, so certain of God&#039;s favor that it would risk death a thousand times trusting in it.&quot;

Wikipedia.com describes faith as, &quot;Faith is commonly known as a belief, trust or confidence often based on a transpersonal relationship with God, a higher power, elements of nature and/or a perception of the human race as a whole.&quot;

What is remarkable about both of these definitions that it seems that faith requires or at the very least produces a certainty about someone or something.

One of my friends always talks about a holy dance that happens between law and grace. Perhaps we need to see this discussion of certainty, arrogance, faith, etc as more a theological dance than a doctrinal stance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin Luther described faith as, &#8221; Faith is a living, bold trust in God&#8217;s grace, so certain of God&#8217;s favor that it would risk death a thousand times trusting in it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wikipedia.com describes faith as, &#8220;Faith is commonly known as a belief, trust or confidence often based on a transpersonal relationship with God, a higher power, elements of nature and/or a perception of the human race as a whole.&#8221;</p>
<p>What is remarkable about both of these definitions that it seems that faith requires or at the very least produces a certainty about someone or something.</p>
<p>One of my friends always talks about a holy dance that happens between law and grace. Perhaps we need to see this discussion of certainty, arrogance, faith, etc as more a theological dance than a doctrinal stance.</p>
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		<title>By: bob c</title>
		<link>http://whyismarko.com/2007/faith-and-certainty/comment-page-1/#comment-72210</link>
		<dc:creator>bob c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 00:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>first try did not work

my handy dictionary defines thus:

certain:  fixed; agreed upon; settled
Origin: 1250–1300 *cert?nus, equiv. to L cert(us) sure, settled

faith: belief that is not based on proof
Origin: 1200–50 feid, feit  of fidés trust, akin to f?dere to trust.

My own experience of following Jesus is unsettled &amp; far from sure - but trust - ah, that is it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>first try did not work</p>
<p>my handy dictionary defines thus:</p>
<p>certain:  fixed; agreed upon; settled<br />
Origin: 1250–1300 *cert?nus, equiv. to L cert(us) sure, settled</p>
<p>faith: belief that is not based on proof<br />
Origin: 1200–50 feid, feit  of fidés trust, akin to f?dere to trust.</p>
<p>My own experience of following Jesus is unsettled &amp; far from sure &#8211; but trust &#8211; ah, that is it.</p>
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		<title>By: riddle</title>
		<link>http://whyismarko.com/2007/faith-and-certainty/comment-page-1/#comment-72187</link>
		<dc:creator>riddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 23:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that was the best sermon i&#039;ve heard in a long time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that was the best sermon i&#8217;ve heard in a long time!</p>
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		<title>By: Faith and Certainty at Rusty Hinges</title>
		<link>http://whyismarko.com/2007/faith-and-certainty/comment-page-1/#comment-72132</link>
		<dc:creator>Faith and Certainty at Rusty Hinges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 20:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: marko</title>
		<link>http://whyismarko.com/2007/faith-and-certainty/comment-page-1/#comment-72122</link>
		<dc:creator>marko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>try this:

http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2007/01/lake_of_fire.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>try this:</p>
<p><a href="http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2007/01/lake_of_fire.html" rel="nofollow">http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2007/01/lake_of_fire.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: marko</title>
		<link>http://whyismarko.com/2007/faith-and-certainty/comment-page-1/#comment-72119</link>
		<dc:creator>marko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry - i&#039;ll try to fix the link later today.  i&#039;m about to get on a plane, and don&#039;t have access to it right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry &#8211; i&#8217;ll try to fix the link later today.  i&#8217;m about to get on a plane, and don&#8217;t have access to it right now.</p>
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		<title>By: kyle.</title>
		<link>http://whyismarko.com/2007/faith-and-certainty/comment-page-1/#comment-72115</link>
		<dc:creator>kyle.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t get see link to work either...

But I did see Craig&#039;s bit last night. &quot;If you have certainty you don&#039;t need faith. If you have faith, you don&#039;t need certainty.&quot; 

Amazing to me how many folks seem to need certainty to have faith...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t get see link to work either&#8230;</p>
<p>But I did see Craig&#8217;s bit last night. &#8220;If you have certainty you don&#8217;t need faith. If you have faith, you don&#8217;t need certainty.&#8221; </p>
<p>Amazing to me how many folks seem to need certainty to have faith&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Wakeling</title>
		<link>http://whyismarko.com/2007/faith-and-certainty/comment-page-1/#comment-72106</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Wakeling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>marko - i think that&#039;s a bad link and that video sounds interesting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>marko &#8211; i think that&#8217;s a bad link and that video sounds interesting</p>
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