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		<title>By: Listening to the Beliefs of Emerging Churches &#171; My World</title>
		<link>http://whyismarko.com/2007/listening-to-the-beliefs-of-emerging-churches/comment-page-1/#comment-647953</link>
		<dc:creator>Listening to the Beliefs of Emerging Churches &#171; My World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: J. K. Jones</title>
		<link>http://whyismarko.com/2007/listening-to-the-beliefs-of-emerging-churches/comment-page-1/#comment-159674</link>
		<dc:creator>J. K. Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found Driscoll’s chapter to be the only one which really outlined a theological content.  

I am still reeling from Pagitt’s comment,  “Complex understandings meant for all people, in all places, for all times, are simply not possible.”  The New American Webster Handy College Dictionary defines complex as “involved; complicated; perplexing.”  So it seems to me we have a complex statement here.  I think he just wrote a complex sentence which says that complex understandings of complex sentences are not possible.  It seems that, even if the statement were true, we would not be able to understand it.  It’s another instance of someone using words and sentences to explain to me that words and sentences can not be explained.  That kind of thing gives this small-town boy a headache.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found Driscoll’s chapter to be the only one which really outlined a theological content.  </p>
<p>I am still reeling from Pagitt’s comment,  “Complex understandings meant for all people, in all places, for all times, are simply not possible.”  The New American Webster Handy College Dictionary defines complex as “involved; complicated; perplexing.”  So it seems to me we have a complex statement here.  I think he just wrote a complex sentence which says that complex understandings of complex sentences are not possible.  It seems that, even if the statement were true, we would not be able to understand it.  It’s another instance of someone using words and sentences to explain to me that words and sentences can not be explained.  That kind of thing gives this small-town boy a headache.</p>
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		<title>By: Sivin</title>
		<link>http://whyismarko.com/2007/listening-to-the-beliefs-of-emerging-churches/comment-page-1/#comment-136320</link>
		<dc:creator>Sivin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 02:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>these books come late to Malaysia don&#039;t they? :-) I&#039;ve been thinking of getting some people to do a multi-authored book giving some voice to the younger leaders here in Malaysia. let&#039;s see whether that happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>these books come late to Malaysia don&#8217;t they? :-) I&#8217;ve been thinking of getting some people to do a multi-authored book giving some voice to the younger leaders here in Malaysia. let&#8217;s see whether that happens.</p>
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		<title>By: marko</title>
		<link>http://whyismarko.com/2007/listening-to-the-beliefs-of-emerging-churches/comment-page-1/#comment-126156</link>
		<dc:creator>marko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2007 19:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kevin k -- what ticked me off was only that mark&#039;s chapter, which was the lead chapter in the book!, wasn&#039;t, in any way, even remotely about the emerging church.  yes, i DO still think mars hill (the church mark pastors) belongs under the broader umbrella of what is popularly called the emerging church.  and i do think it made sense to include mark and mars hill in this book.  i just wish he had written about how his church is unique.  his chapter is purely a hyper-reformed doctrinal statement: no different than what many who would never embrace mars hill&#039;s approach to doing church would have written (like: sproul).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kevin k &#8212; what ticked me off was only that mark&#8217;s chapter, which was the lead chapter in the book!, wasn&#8217;t, in any way, even remotely about the emerging church.  yes, i DO still think mars hill (the church mark pastors) belongs under the broader umbrella of what is popularly called the emerging church.  and i do think it made sense to include mark and mars hill in this book.  i just wish he had written about how his church is unique.  his chapter is purely a hyper-reformed doctrinal statement: no different than what many who would never embrace mars hill&#8217;s approach to doing church would have written (like: sproul).</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin K</title>
		<link>http://whyismarko.com/2007/listening-to-the-beliefs-of-emerging-churches/comment-page-1/#comment-124873</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark-

I want to know more in detail what it was about Mark&#039;s contribution that ticked you off. It seemed to me that the editor or whoever was in charge of communicating with the authors gave them a specific agenda to approach. It seemed as though most of the authors did not even approach the agenda (Pagitt and Ward).

I think I know what you are getting at when you say it ticked you off but I would just like to hear more from you. Could it be that there was nothing really regarding emerging church practice and that it was just full of bible believing doctrine? And do you think that Mark Driscoll should even really be tied in with the Emerging Church, or is he really just a mega church leader who does a great job at reaching those in a emerging culture. I really enjoy Driscoll&#039;s writings but I can understand your frustration, I just would like more clarification as to what it is. 

And personally the one author who frustrated me the most was actually Karen Ward. I had a hard time reading through her chapter. I didn&#039;t see how it really benefited the discussion. I also disliked her use of blog posts from other people. Perhaps that is just me but I thought I would share my frustrations. 

Great review though Marko! And I hope you have a great time out of the country!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark-</p>
<p>I want to know more in detail what it was about Mark&#8217;s contribution that ticked you off. It seemed to me that the editor or whoever was in charge of communicating with the authors gave them a specific agenda to approach. It seemed as though most of the authors did not even approach the agenda (Pagitt and Ward).</p>
<p>I think I know what you are getting at when you say it ticked you off but I would just like to hear more from you. Could it be that there was nothing really regarding emerging church practice and that it was just full of bible believing doctrine? And do you think that Mark Driscoll should even really be tied in with the Emerging Church, or is he really just a mega church leader who does a great job at reaching those in a emerging culture. I really enjoy Driscoll&#8217;s writings but I can understand your frustration, I just would like more clarification as to what it is. </p>
<p>And personally the one author who frustrated me the most was actually Karen Ward. I had a hard time reading through her chapter. I didn&#8217;t see how it really benefited the discussion. I also disliked her use of blog posts from other people. Perhaps that is just me but I thought I would share my frustrations. </p>
<p>Great review though Marko! And I hope you have a great time out of the country!</p>
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		<title>By: Friar_Tuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friar_Tuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sooner or later I am going to have to read this book, if for no other reason than the back and forth between driscoll and pagitt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sooner or later I am going to have to read this book, if for no other reason than the back and forth between driscoll and pagitt.</p>
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		<title>By: riddle</title>
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		<dc:creator>riddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh and i thought the review was helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh and i thought the review was helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: riddle</title>
		<link>http://whyismarko.com/2007/listening-to-the-beliefs-of-emerging-churches/comment-page-1/#comment-124833</link>
		<dc:creator>riddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>curious is such a curious name. it distracted me so that i could not take your comment and inherent recommendation seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>curious is such a curious name. it distracted me so that i could not take your comment and inherent recommendation seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Kara</title>
		<link>http://whyismarko.com/2007/listening-to-the-beliefs-of-emerging-churches/comment-page-1/#comment-124764</link>
		<dc:creator>Kara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m really glad you reviewed this book. i&#039;ve been going back and forth on whether to read it, but from what you&#039;ve said, it seems pretty balanced and worthwhile. thanks for posting :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m really glad you reviewed this book. i&#8217;ve been going back and forth on whether to read it, but from what you&#8217;ve said, it seems pretty balanced and worthwhile. thanks for posting :)</p>
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		<title>By: curious</title>
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		<dc:creator>curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know blogs are informal but truly, a book review ought to have basic capitalization in place.  I was so distracted by your form (actually lack of it), that I could not finish reading the review or take your recommendation(s) seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know blogs are informal but truly, a book review ought to have basic capitalization in place.  I was so distracted by your form (actually lack of it), that I could not finish reading the review or take your recommendation(s) seriously.</p>
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