short story (see previous post for back-story): he’s a really good guy, and i can genuinely now call him a friend. he used words like ‘mystery’ and ‘winsome’ and ‘gracious’ that i would never expect to hear as priorities from the mouth of an apologist (my bad assumption, i guess). we found, as is usually possible if people are willing to listen to each other, that we are a good 80 to 90% in agreement.
we had (what i thought was) a really interesting conversation around the priority of understanding or experience. we both agreed both were important, and really not seperable. i tried to make the argument that while understanding (knowledge) without experience is useless, but true experience of god will lead someone to desire understanding — and, therefore, experience has a priority. brett fairly countered that experience without understanding can lead to all kinds of unhelpful beliefs (my words, not his — i’m paraphrasing), so there is no prioritization possible. i suggested that brett was prioritizing understanding over experience (in the classic FACT, FAITH, FEELINGS ordered train). but brett wouldn’t agree to that — which i had to appreciate, even through i wanted to corner him there!
we talked about a couple hundred other things to, including our own stories. i can now declare: brett kunkle is my favorite youth ministry apologetics guy. (yeah, that’s a bit tongue-in-cheek)