my favorite senior pastor has resigned

Gordon Kirk has been the senior pastor at Lake Avenue Church in Pasadena, CA, for 14 years. no SP is perfect — but this guy was darn close. visionary, compassionate, insightful, wise. and, what can i say? he believed in me when i was a punk junior high pastor, and asked me to be the executive pastor at a 100+ year old church of 6000 people. it was unheard of. some of the church leaders thought he must have had a serious brain-fart.

any institution of 100 years needs a continuous process of change, or atrophy will (or has) set in, usually followed by death. gordon knew this, saw it, and — for the most part — was able to articulate a path forward. he was passionate about lake ave not being an oasis of middle-class white people in the midst of a completely diverse (racially and economically) neighborhood; and the church has made massive strides in this direction over the last 10 years. i’ve really been hoping and praying that lake avenue would become a model of a big ol’ church that was found a path from mono-cultural, through multi-racial, though multi-cultural, all the way to kingdom-cultural. at this moment, i’m feeling a bit less hopeful. the youth ministry of this great church is well on the way to living this reality — please, lord.

gordon’s resignation was due to ongoing attacks and nipping and plain-old wearing him down by critics.

i would absolutely not be sitting in my seat at ys today if gordon had not believed in me.

108 thoughts on “my favorite senior pastor has resigned”

  1. Responding to the two bloggers just before me. 1.There was no mass exodus. 2.We are all responsible for our spiritual lives no matter what a man or woman may preach. God will ask pastors about their responsibility to him and God will ask us what we did with what he (God himself) gave us. The person who supposedly went off to follow Buddhist teachings (and I think he was just using that as an example) is responsible for his own life. At the end of the day, after we have listened to a man peaching, we should go away and search God’s heart for ourselves so we know the truth that sets us free. That way we are not swayed with another person’s thoughts but develope our own personal dependence and relationship with God. I do not believe that having our names on a church roll membership is a biblical thing but abandoning fellowship is definitely not what God requires of us and not having accountability (to godly people) is also a dangerous spiritual thing.

  2. P.S. Please don’t misinterpret that I am accusing anyone of abandoning fellowship. I am ust making a point about what is biblical and not.

  3. Dr. Kirk is currently preaching as a Guest Teaching Pastor at Calvary Community Church. The Calvary Community Church web site has videos of his last sermons.

    Gordon Kirk
    Guest Teaching Pastor
    Calvary Community Church
    5495 Via Rocas
    Westlake Village CA
    (818) 991-8040
    http://www.calvarycc.org/

  4. I found him today at Grace Baptist Church in Santa Clarita. He is the interim pastor there. I totally stumbled upon him by accident while I was searching for a place of worship!

  5. I happened on this site after googling Pastor Kirk’s name. I had heard that he was at Grace Baptist in Santa Clarita. I absolutely love his teaching style. Thorough and very understandable. I joined Lake in the early 90’s during the brief time when Pastor Kirk was on the radio. I’ll never forget hearing him on the radio for a few consecutive weeks. After hearing him, I knew I had to find this man. Mind you, I was not in the church at that time. Through the spiritual workings of God and the Holy Spirit—which I believe included hearing Pastor Kirk on the radio, I “recommitted” myself to Christ. I sat under Pastor Kirk’s teaching at Lake for about five years before joining a church a few miles away from home(Lake was 22 miles away and I guess the driving was wearing on me). There was absolutely no comparison between Pastor Kirk’s teaching and the new teaching I was under. No comparison at all. Pastor Kirk’s sermons were like a meal—the sermons at the new church were like an appetizer—just enough to wet the palate. I am sad to admit that I traded his very indepth teaching for a more contemporary worship experience that was closer to home. Pastor Kirk’s sermons left me wanting more. My experience was not even close to that during my years at the new church. I have a ton of cassette tapes (yes, cassettes) of Pastor Kirk’s sermons. While cassettes have virtually gone by the wayside, at this time, I refuse to get rid of them. It’s assuring to know that Pastor Kirk’s sermons can be heard on the web. I wonder if Pastor Kirk realizes how loved he was. I wonder if he realize how many people love and miss his teaching? God bless the man and his family. Larry, maybe I will bump into you at Grace—I plan on getting there one day very soon. I called today and was told that he won’t be there for Easter. Back around the first of April.

  6. Ester,

    lacc in pasadena, california. the church had a history of supporting working people. It seems to have decided to be above the common man.
    the church( new addition) was build non-union just look a the concrete thats breaking up in the quad. the church was sold a bill of goods. The concrete was build with wetback labor. side note: they were paying $20.00 a yard over the current market rateof $55.00 yard, Why? If your that dumb and cannot figure out what was going on. You need a brain surgury(thursdays 4to 6 P.M.). the construction project was a scam.

    My family have attended colleges and churchs in america since 1625. The schools and churches always used local people to build them. Most of the workman attended the church and were local building trades workman. One clown in our family even gave all his money to build the first real hospital in Boston. He also gave the rest of his money to fund a trust fund at the college and Law school he attented in Mass. Hint: Its fund is the largest in Mass/USA. His grandfather was the #1 banker funding Passenger liners to Africa then the south, via Mobile, Al. New Orleans, LA. etc.

    Happy Easter

  7. I also went to LAC and it was after not attending Calvery Chapel or any other church for that matter for about 10 years. Kirk is able to open peoples minds and hearts, so that they are able to learn for themselves. He is able to connect with every person in that church in such a way that cant be denied.

    Granted I know that with Gordon leaving the devil uses this to try to get us to flounder and keep us from the lord. I just cant bring myself to listen to any other pastors as of late. I am trying again today and I hope to find one with even a sliver of his wonderful skill. He even made someone I know who said they would never go to church with a very dark heart open up. They were singing crying it was truly amazing and I thank god for it every day.

  8. Glad I found your site for the second time. Enjoy your book reviews. Yes …Ben Carson..Take a Risk
    Do you know where Pastor Gordon Kirk is? Would love to email him.I’m a Lake Ave. Member.
    Help me out if you can.
    Thanks and God Bless !

  9. Here is Dr. Kirk’s information. He is still teaching in Westlake Village.

    Dr. Kirk is currently preaching as a Guest Teaching Pastor at Calvary Community Church. The Calvary Community Church web site has videos of his last sermons.

    Gordon Kirk
    Guest Teaching Pastor
    Calvary Community Church
    5495 Via Rocas
    Westlake Village CA
    (818) 991-8040
    http://www.calvarycc.org/
    Email Address: [email protected]

  10. I found your comment asking me if I was the Janet Simcic from Calvary Church days. Yes, I am. We now go to Kindred Community Fellowship. So remind me how I know you. :-) Janet

  11. I happened upon this blog while searching for Gordon’s whereabouts. I am not surprised that 3 1/2 years later people are still writing on this subject.

    I served in the music ministry with Gordon at Rolling Hills Covenant and then LAC for quite a few years. His encouragement, passion, teaching and enthusiasm was key in bringing me back to the Lord as a college student. There was never a moment when I didn’t feel 100% encouraged by Gordon.

    After many great years at LAC, we left shortly after Gordon did. There were many reasons for leaving not all of which were negative or because of Gordon. We still have many good friends who attend and I wish the church all of God’s blessings, forgiveness and great ministry for years to come.

    What I learned from Gordon’s unfortunate situation at LAC was that we are all flawed. Myself included and Gordon included. We are ALL impatient, self centered, immature, petty and in need of forgivness. One of Gordon’s last sermons was about getting off of the milk and on to solid food. He was encouraging us to grow up. What I loved about his teaching was that we was not afraid to give us the truth even if our flesh was resisting.

    The unfortunate truth about his demise at LAC is that the world was watching us and we failed. We did not resolve our conflict well as a body. I took a year break from church after Gordon left. I learned that the Church, LAC or otherwise does not belong to you or me. It is God’s and His alone. I am convinced that we had better get on our knees as a church, bear each other’s burdens, forgive each other, grow up, let go of our “ownership” of the church and pray that this doesn’t keep happening. The world is watching us. Let’s make sure that they know we are Christians by our love and service not our conflicts.

    Marko… thanks for your great sermons too. I remember them fondly.

    DB

  12. Yes, 3 1/2 years later, some of us are still looking for Gordon! His sermons were the most amazing, well-articulated I ever heard in any public speaking format. Have stayed away from Lake since, but recently went for a holiday service, trying to recapture the magic I guess. The hole left by Gordon’s departure is more apparent now than ever. The LAC community under his leadership (and the great ministry staff- YOU TOO, Marko!) was a life-altering experience for myself and everyone I exposed to Lake. I write with a continuing sense of sadness and hope he is still in Santa Clarita. I am going to try and make a service. Is he still there – the web site was fairly ambiguous? Any other updates on former LAC staff?

    Happy Holidays everyone! Love and God bless!

  13. Dr.Kirk update: I stumbled upon this thread while “googling” his name. Dr. Kirk has just completed his (2+ yrs)of interim teaching at Grace Community in Santa Clarita, this last weekend (Feb 22, 2009). GCC recently confirmed their new Senior Pastor, David Hegg (Northpoint Evangelical Free Church in Corona, California). I must agree with everyone else here, Dr. Kirk’s natural style of preaching, his delivery, his message and ability to keep one’s attention and solidly teach the Word every week, is unmatched in my 30+ yrs of being a believer. Both my wife and I will miss him dearly! He got a 5 min. standing ovation as he concluded his last day — to his embarrassment I’m sure as he is not one to seek special attention. I pray the best for he and his beautiful wife.

  14. It was through Kirk that I came to be saved. He will always be my pastor. Gorden, where ever you are, I will always love you and you can my bud any time.

  15. What a great blog about an amazing human being & pastor, Gordon Kirk! Services at Lake this weekend included a “history of missions” video with highlights by decade. When Pastor Kirk & his challenge for all who called Lake their home to participate in a short term mission came across the big screen, tears streamed down my face. I was at once missing him terribly, but also grateful that part of his legacy was being honored. Pastor Kirk, Patricia & their entire family continue to be in my prayers! He made a forever impact on our lives!

  16. Paster Kirk had the unique gift to take the words from the Bible and apply them to the situations and challenges that we have to deal with everyday. He did not teach from the Bible as if he was teaching us history. He brought relevance to what the leaders in the Bible taught us. He was the best advocate for the Christian faith. I will never forget his impact on my growth as a Chistian. I know God will always take good care of Pastor Kirk.

  17. Although Pastor Kirk seems to have taken a break from teaching, we can always listen to him on-line at Grace Baptist Church in Santa Clarita (www.gracebaptist.org). Just go to their home page, click on Resources & click on Sermons: 2009 = 4 sermons; 2008 = 29 sermons; 2007 = 28 sermons; 2006 = 6 sermons! I absolutely loved his farewell sermon to Grace: “Three Obvious Characteristics of a Healthy Church” given on 2/22/09…relevant, rock solid Bible teaching & the voice that comforts me still! Enjoy!

  18. Thank you so much for sharing the news, Julie. Glendale is much closer now and I’m looking forward to attending the worship service at CFTN.

  19. I spent many years at Lake. The wonderful teachings of Dr. Kirk have forever been infused into me. Nobody ever hit home inside me like he did. I’m so glad to know he has signed on to another church. Those folks are truly blessed. Glendale is too far away for me to attend, but I take heart that the Lord has other plans for me. Dr. Kirk is truly a great man of God and He will continue to use him in mighty ways. I’m so glad I was able to hear his teachings. Through the internet, I will continue! :-)

    While I was at Lake, I was very involved with worship activities. I can say that many of the problems were caused by too many folks who never “moved out of the chapel” to the big church! They wanted everything to stay the way it was before they moved into their new buildings. Dr. Kirk had visions for the future to help the church grow – to fill those pews! It required doing music and many other worship ideas in a different, more modern way. There were just too many folks who were still back in the 1970’s/early 80’s in their worship style. They had blinders on.

    To move in this new direction meant putting dollars in new areas. Dr. Kirk wanted to change some of the ways that worship services were done. He had a model church in Texas that did exactly what he wanted Lake to do. It would have meant bigger “production”. There needed be more folks on board in employment and volunteers to be able to sustain what he wanted to do. Which probably meant redirecting money to certain areas – something hard for Lake folks to do because of the way their “church government” runs. Though worth it in the end, it would have been hard work. Something that the already overworked Worship Division didn’t want to do. So I think this was ONE of the reasons things ended up not working out with Dr. Kirk. They lost some folks in the Worship Division over this just before Dr. Kirk gave his resignation. If Dr. Kirk’s vision had been accomplished, I believe that Lake would have attracted a much larger following to the church that would have easily been able to sustain itself financially in the end. The world would be coming to Lake to “see how it is done” and take it home to their churches!!! The word of God would be spreading out of that “Missionary” church in a much faster fashion than it currently does. Lake would be living up to its fullest potential. The folks at Lake should have followed Dr. Kirk in this. It was a big vision. What COULD have been. Lake is reaching the world already, I just believe it would be a much greater reach today.

  20. More good news…Pastor Kirk begins a 5-week teaching series (July 26, August 2,9,16,23) at Church for the Nations (CFTN)! Praise the Lord!

  21. Even more good news…Pastor Kirk will be preaching at CFTN in Glendale the following Sundays: 9/20, 10/4, 10/11, 10/18, 10/25, 11/1 & 11/22!! What a blessing!!

  22. When Pastor Gordon left Lake Avenue Church in July of 2005, I was very sorry to see him go. My wife and I still attend Lake but we continually think of the way it was for Gordon’s 14 years. Lake has been essentially rudderless since Gordon left. The new pastor is good at preaching and a number of things are starting to improve now, but there is one glaring problem which I have addressed to the pastor, which he is ignoring. It seems that the new pastor does not have the authority to handle issues the way Pastor Gordon could and did.

    Here is my current issue….. the organist at Lake is a virtuoso of classical music. That might be a good thing, except that he blesses us before services, during services, and after services with his expert renditions of Handel, Bach, Mozart, Haydn, and Beethoven, to name a few. The organist has almost single-handedly changed the face, the environment, and the culture of Lake Avenue Church. I intentionally come in late to services so I can avoid listening to it. You know, I come to church to worship the Lord, to praise Him, to make melody in my heart to Him and to this with the saints, the community of believers. Yet, the organist is dominating our ears. Why can’t he play Christian music ???? Why can’t he settle for a 2 PM on Sunday afternoons concert to display his secular talents???

    The pastor sees nothing wrong with this “replacement music” (as I would call it). I think we have entered a “post-worship” phase at Lake Avenue Church where it’s basically anything-goes for music, at least from the organist. There is no passion for God, no seeking, no desiring, no searching and finding…. there is just Handels’ Concerto in F Minor.

    Perhaps the time has come for me to leave Lake Avenue. If I can’t have a heart of worship there, then what’s the point in attending?

  23. Mr. Gwinn, There is a book you may want to read called “The Spiritual Lives of Great Composers”. Here is the link to the book on Amazon:

    http://www.amazon.com/Spiritual-Lives-Composers-Patrick-Kavanaugh/dp/0310208068

    Truth is that much of what the organist is playing was inspired by God and made manifest through the skills of the great composers throughout history, they just didn’t include lyrics.

    It may not be your taste and that is a fair position to take. It is not my position to argue with you or judge you, but to point you to some information that may help shape your opinions and feelings.

    I would be happy to discuss this with you any time.

  24. Dan,

    Classical music has it’s place in life. However, just because composers were Christians does not make their word-less music helpful for worship. In the Bible, we find people singing words of praise to God. The Church is a place where the specific verbal praise of God is to be practiced.

    Can you find any place in the Bible where music without lyrics is used as a form of worship? Or are you prepared to say that lyricless music in the Church — music that doesn’t have any words of praise to God — is appropriate? If that’s true, I can find you several Jazz musicians such as John Tesh who are Christians, and we can play wordless Jazz in church to bless the congregation. And they can be entertained and can applaud afterwards. That’s ludicrous. The house of the Lord is a place of specific worship. It always has been and always will be.

  25. Douglas, You are clearly passionate about worship through singing. That’s great. I encourage you to seek out the churches and services that provide exclusively lyrical songs because that is what helps you worship God to the fullest extent. Nobody will fault you for your opinion, taste or preference.

    As for biblical references, one big one comes to mind.

    Psalm 150
    Praise the LORD! Praise God in His sanctuary; Praise Him in His mighty expanse. Praise Him for His mighty deeds; Praise Him according to His excellent greatness. Praise Him with trumpet sound; Praise Him with harp and lyre. Praise Him with timbrel and dancing; Praise Him with stringed instruments and pipe. Praise Him with loud cymbals; Praise Him with resounding cymbals. Let everything that has breath praise the LORD. Praise the LORD!

    I see no reference to singing in this Psalm.

    You are correct in stating that the church is a place of worship. The question is, what constitutes true worship? Is it a musical style, genre, set of notes, rhythm, singer, instrumentalist or is it rather an offering of your heart to the Lord with an attitude of praise, awe and thanksgiving?

    I’ve been told by church goers that “only acoustic guitars make real music…. not electric guitars” and “drum beats that accent beats 2 & 4 are of the devil”. We even had one person complain that because the Yamaha logo was visible on some of the instruments & speakers, it was a hindrance to their worship.

    Church music has always been the source of much controversy. Certain intervals were viewed as “Satanic” in the age where Gregorian Chant was the only acceptable musical style. Later it was certain chords that were considered “worldly and evil”. It wasn’t until the 12th century that the organ was even accepted as a suitable instrument of worship. At it’s first introduction into the church, the organ was criticized and was called “the devil’s whistle”. Now it is viewed by many as a classical instrument of praise.

    This is a forum about Gordon Kirk. As a musician that played all kinds of music in church under Gordon’s leadership, from classical to rock, I can tell you honestly that Gordon was the biggest supporter of music of all kinds, instrumental, vocal, jazz, classical, rock as long as it was offered to God with skill, integrity and an honest heart of worship. After nearly every service, Gordon would make an effort to thank me and the other musicians for their contribution to the worship experience, organ postludes included.

    I will not continue to clutter a blog intended to discuss the positive impact of Gordon’s ministry on all of us with a debate about instrumental music in the church. I will merely sum up my thoughts by saying, go and worship God with humility, honesty and passion using music, dance, singing, banging on cymbals, trumpets lest the rocks cry out…… and be a blessing to others.
    Peace. DB

  26. Dan, thanks for responding again. Yes, this does have to do with Pastor Gordon because I attended and was a member of Lake during his entire tenure. I’m not sure why you want to dispute the current state of affairs at Lake as I am discussing them because I still go to Lake and I’m sharing what I have observed, even as recently as last week.

    Perhaps I didn’t make myself entirely clear in my previous blog entry. When I say “music that has no lyrics” I am referring to the fact that it was written without words, not that a Christian song shouldn’t be played without singing the words. And sure, if there were an occasional classical piece played in church, that might be fine…. but I’m saying that things have changed dramatically at Lake since Gordon left. Classical music is now the primary genre before and after services and for offertories, during Bible reading, during prayers as background music and many other aspects during the service. The reason for this is that the new organist has a PhD in classical music and there is an apparent attempt to make him feel good and useful. The fact is, he is perfectly competent to play hymns also.

    But please don’t castigate me over Gordon Kirk’s tenure at Lake. I was there and he did not use classical music to the extent it is now being used. If you are not attending Lake, then you don’t have any idea as to the current state of affairs.

    When you quoted Psalm 150 (above) that was interesting. It specifically calls for people to use their voices in praise. You can’t “praise Him for his acts of power” and for His “surpassing greatness” by simply clashing a cymbal… you have to let the people know why you are sounding it and you do that verbally. That psalm is a beautiful instructive for using anything and everything to praise the Lord, everyone who HAS BREATH. That’s verbal! That’s like saying “shout out your joy and let the world see your gladness.” From the lips of babes, He has ordained praise. That’s verbal. In 2 Chron. 29:30, “they sang praises with gladness.” Psam 100 is replete with the exhortation to praise the Lord with our hearts and voices. Ephesians 5:19 commands us to “speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs.” And hundreds of other passages exhort us to verbally praise the Lord.

    I do not go to church to hear pleasant instrumentals that have no Christian words. I go there to praise the Lord and worship Him and get to know Him better and to fellowship with His people and to find out what He wants me to do.

    I noticed you didn’t touch my invitation that John Tesh be invited to Lake Avenue to play his word-less jazz. John is a Christian and I’ve met him, he’s a great guy. He sings praise songs too, but he doesn’t pass off his jazz as “praise music.” Word-less jazz or classical pieces are not what the psalmist in Psalm 150 had in mind. The psalmist had in mind that we would “praise the Lord” and you cannot do that by improvisation, jamming, or by playing word-less classical music in church. It would work about as well as watching a slide show in church of beautiful landscapes, natural wonders, sunsets, and other pictures of nature… for an entire service, and then have all the people say “Amen” and go home. Nope. Doesn’t work. Doesn’t meet the “praise test.” And Gordon Kirk would never do it. I know Gordon. Gordon is a friend of mine. For Gordon, praise was very clear and intentional.

    Gordon instituted dancers at Lake, children who “danced before the Lord” during the services. This was beautiful and appropriate because we know about David doing the same thing. The dancing children are gone now, when Gordon left. This is what I’m talking about, things have changed and not for the better.

    Dan, you and I are not as far apart in this discussion as you seem to think. So let’s conclude this by simply saying, Praise the Lord for you, and God bless the people of Lake Avenue Church.

  27. Update on Pastor Kirk: He is preaching all of February at CFTN in Glendale. The 9:30 am service is more contemplative/traditional worship music and the 11 am service a contemporary worship band…both making beautiful music to the Lord with the rock-solid preaching of our dearly loved Pastor Gordon!

  28. I too have been an appreciator of Gordon Kirk since I first became a believer back in 1986 when he was preaching/teaching at Rolling Hills Covenant Church. That is also where I met and became friends with Dan B. who is part of the exchanges above.

    I appreciate both the words from Dan and Douglas, and I think you are both closer to each other than you are father apart.

    What’s clear to me is that we are called to worship with our voices AND to make a joyful noise, even at the same time ;-)

    For those who don’t feel like they can sing well, or aren’t comfortable with that mode of worship, I do believe Psalm 150 and elsewhere in scripture allows for the guitarist to worship with his guitar, or the drummer with his drums, or yes, even the organist with the organ pipes.

    Where we get onto very shaky ground is when we say one can ONLY worship with the voice, or ONLY with an organ, or ONLY a capella. These would be extra biblical assertions and are really an inevitable product of us making our “preferences” a part of scripture, and isn’t that a dangerous place to venture …

    If the Lake Ave organist is playing to the exclusion of vocal worship than I think that is wrong, but if both are present than Douglas may just wish he had more vocal participation than organ listening, but that is a preference, not a bilical mandate.

    Even the most strident opinions about worship (and I work for someone with very strong opinions that classical music is the only way to properly worship in a church setting) should leave room for other styles/modes of church worship, as long as the motive is one of worship of our Lord & Savior and is biblically accurate in its lyrics & presentation.

    Having said that, I don’t believe in an “anything goes” mentality. I wouldn’t approve of “naked Charles Ives style worship”, for instance.

    I am being facetious and extreme, of course, but I do think we need to consider how God is exalted in our worship, its quality, its creativity, and make sure those things can line up with what we know of God’s character.

    The early church did not have Roland pianos, electric guitars, or reinforced sound systems, nor did Gregorian monks, nor Martin Luther’s church in Wittenberg, but I am confident that they all had a heart for God in their worship with the tools they had at their disposal. I would entreat us to do the same.

  29. It was such an awesome to here Pastor Gordon Kirk when I visited the Church For The Nations today at 1015 N. Central Ave in Glendale, CA. There are two services: 9:30 am (traditional) and 11:00am (contemporary). This is a small church with a powerful presence of the Holy Spirit that you can sense and feel. I was truly blessed with the message, the experience and the people! I am most Grateful for the leading of the Holy Spirit to this church. I can’t wait until next Sunday! Happy Easter! He Has Risen, He Has Risen Indeed!

  30. Oh, yes!! We also attended the Easter service at CFTN and agree that it was very special…the praise band, video presentation, dramatic monologue and Pastor Kirk’s rock-solid sermon were all fabulous! Just as the Easter lilies, tulips and hyacinths filled the sanctuary with color and fragrance, so the knowledge that Jesus is our only HOPE filled our hearts! Here’s Pastor Kirk’s teaching schedule on Proverbs that begins this Sunday and continues through the summer: 4/11, 5/16, 5/23, 5/30, 6/6, 7/18, 7/25, 8/1, 8/8, 8/15, 8/22, 8/29, 9/5, 9/12!! Blessings!!

  31. Thank you Julie for publishing the teaching schedule. I have attended two services where Gordon preached. It is wonderful and is such a blessing.

  32. Hey guys I have always wondered why Gordon left. Does anyone here know the whole story behind it all? Thanks

  33. I don’t know, but I do know that the Lord continues to use Pastor Kirk in a mighty way…now at CFTN. His current teaching schedule for the summer is: July 25, August 1, August 8, August 22, August 29, September 5 & September 12! What a blessing!

  34. Here’s Pastor Kirk’s updated teaching schedule at CFTN through the end of the year: 7/25, 8/1, 8/8, 8/29, 9/5, 9/12, 10/17, 10/24, 10/31, 11/7, 11/14, 11/21, 12/24 & 12/26! Praise the Lord!!

  35. My pleasure! Here’s Pastor Kirk’s updated teaching schedule with additional dates in August…what a blessing!! 9:30 am contemplative/traditional service and 11 am contemporary service: 8/8, 8/15, 8/22, 8/29, 9/5 (one service @ 10:30 am), 9/12, 10/17, 10/24, 10/31, 11/7, 11/14, 11/21.

  36. We are so thankful for Pastor Kirk & Patricia! At this time of Thanksgiving, we count ourselves deeply blessed to have them in our lives. Here is Pastor Kirk’s teaching schedule at CFTN in Glendale (for the first part of 2011): 1/16, 1/23, 1/30, 2/6, 2/13, 2/27, 3/6, 3/13, 3/20, 3/27, 5/1, 5/8, 5/15, 5/22, 5/29*, 6/5. * Memorial Day Weekend: one combined service @ 10:30 am. All other Sundays include two services: 9:30 am & 11 am.

  37. I remember Dr. Kirk from Rolling Hills. Their was a similar situation there also before his resignation. I think it’s sick that congregations continue to bicker about all their needs and wants using it as an excuse as God’s will. But then again it gives this world, our flesh, and satan pleasure in such divisions. With all that Sunday Church stuff aside, let us as believers do all we can to further HIS kingdom.

  38. Amen! And Pastor Kirk continues to do just that…further the Lord’s kingdom! Here is his most up-to-date teaching schedule at CFTN (May-October 2011): 5/1, 5/8, 5/15, 5/22, 6/12, 6/26, 7/3*, 7/10, 7/17, 7/24, 7/31, 8/7, 8/28, 9/4*, 9/11, 9/18, 9/25, 10/2, 10/9.
    * 4th of July & Labor Day weekends: one combined service @ 10:30 am. All other Sundays are two services: 9:30 am & 11 am.

  39. Here is Pastor Kirk’s most up-to-date teaching schedule at CFTN in Glendale through the end of the year (July-December 2011): 7/3*, 7/17, 7/31, 8/28, 9/4*, 9/11, 9/18, 9/25, 10/2, 11/13, 11/20, 12/11, 12/18
    * 4th of July & Labor Day weekends: one combined service @ 10:30 am. All other Sundays are two services: 9:30 am & 11 am.

  40. A great lesson in my life is that there are at least two sides to every issue, so we should never assume that the “story” we know represents the entire truth. Consider the well known story of the group of blind men who surround an elephant, each touching the part of the elephant that is closest. Each blind man envisions the animal based on the body part (ear, trunk, tail, etc.) he is touching. Each is wrong because he has not touched the entire animal, and therefore cannot possibly understand what the entire animal looks like. Likewise, particularly in churches, each of us is wrong if we draw firm conclusions based only on the part of the story we know.

    Here’s what I do know. We are here to worship God and to encourage and build up the saints. We all too often undermine that purpose by worship of preachers or styles of music, worship or ministry, and by focus on our own personal preferences.

    I thank God for the contributions that Gordon Kirk made to the ministry of Lake Avenue Church AND, to no lesser degree, for the contributions of the legion of brothers and sisters who labored there under his pastorate. I also thank God for the work He continues to accomplish through Gordon and Patricia Kirk at CFTN.

    As we evaluate ministries, church bodies, ministers and members of our churches, let’s first consider how God sees that person and ministry and try to see them in the same way. We’re sure to experience much less division in the process.

  41. Here is Pastor Kirk’s teaching schedule at CFTN in Glendale through July 2012: 1/15, 1/22, 2/12, 2/19, 2/26, 3/4, 3/11, 3/18, 3/25, 5/27, all of June & July!
    * July 1st (4th of July weekend): one combined service @ 10:30 am. All other Sundays are two services: 9:30 am & 11 am.

  42. Thanks Julie for your updates. My husband and I attend Lake Ave Church, but my husband misses Gordon Kirk’s teaching very much (I married my husband after Gordon Kirk left LAC). We have attended Church for the Nations a few times but we always seem to miss the weeks that Gordon is teaching — although Alan Meenan is amazingly good, too! I appreciate you providing Gordon’s teaching schedule so we can make better plans for attending CFTN.

  43. You are so welcome Michelle! My husband & I really missed Pastor Gordon’s rock-solid teachings at Lake too! What a blessing to have Gordon & Patricia just over the hill in Glendale. BTW, hope you made it today…as always, Pastor Gordon’s sermon was right on! If you missed it, you can always listen to him on-line thru the CFTN website.

  44. Great news! Pastor Gordon is teaching the next two Sundays: 1/29 & 2/5! But, no others in February. Here’s his updated schedule: 1/29, 2/5, 3/4, 3/11, 3/18, 3/25, 5/27, all of June & July!
    *July 1st (4th of July weekend): one combined service @ 10:30 am. All other Sundays are two services: 9:30 am & 11 am.

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