women and christianity video

‘my true self’ blogger jennifer created this video (she emailed me about it a week or two ago, asking for input on how to embed it on her blog) a few weeks back.

here’s jennifer’s first post about the video. then, jen’s follow-up post, responding to the accusation that her video was hateful toward men. i just don’t see this. i think the video is a beautiful piece of provacotive art, with (as is often true in good art) some pain juxtoposed by beauty.

i think this video would be a wonderful discussion-starter for both girls and guys in youth ministry. i think it would likely be a more profitable and beneficial discussion if it were a single-gender discussion. in other words: it would be GREAT for girls to view this and have a meaningful discussion about the messages they hear, in and out of the church; and to compare those with what jesus says about women, and how jesus treats women. at the same time, i think it could be even more powerful to show this to a group of teenage boys, then have the same discussion, particularly about how their own thoughts and actions might be out of alignment with what jesus says about women, and how jesus treats women.

21 thoughts on “women and christianity video”

  1. All sorts of thoughts and questions ran through my mind as I watched it, but none of them were along those, “She hates men” lines. Excellent video, and something I hope to use in the future. One thought that came up (especially after going and reading Jennifer’s posts and the comments following) was that Satan really is battling to destroy unity amongst us, as well as simply making us ineffective. Jennifer very artfully “discusses” through her video how Christianity has, throughout history, pushed women down. On the other hand, I also see how, in many cultures (ours included to a point, though not as much), following Christ is viewed as a “woman’s religion” and men are in the minority in terms of how many actually truly follow Christ. In these areas (among others) I see Satan’s work, and our need to keep fighting against the real enemy.

  2. I can see the complaint. This video stereotypes men’s opinions about women just as much as those quoted within it stereotype (and denigrate) women.

    A more balanced video would have ended with quotes from men with the opposite viewpoint.

  3. >A more balanced video would have ended with quotes from men with the opposite viewpoint.

    A fair thing to say.

    The reason I made this video was to invite others to share in the experience of how these quotes have affected me. I wasn’t trying to catalogue all the beliefs about women.

    I really am all for a balanced view on gender issues…Women can hurt men just like men can hurt women. Actually, I think a real step forward will be when friendship between adult men and women is more accepted in the church. I’m not trying to bring division.

  4. mark,
    i’m not sure there are properly considered stereotypes. I’m not sure that the few quotes given in the video can come close to the weight of the church’s historical view of women. Certainly the church today has attempted to correct their theology/behavior over the past 40-60 years, but we still live in the shadow of the churches history and it has not been a favorable for women.

  5. very powerful and thought provoking…thanks jennifer for creating it and thanks marko for posting it! i like your discussion ideas marko…and i’d add to the discussion reading the resurrection story like john 20 where jesus tells mary m. to go tell his disciples he is alive! …thankfully jesus view of women is very different than that of many church leaders throughout history!
    i’m off to read jennifer’s blog next.

  6. Just FYI…

    I got a couple requests from people wanting to use this video with their group, but they need a hard copy of it…I dont have any hard copies, but I did put it on my blog and you can download it from there.

  7. I am the person who commented as Mark above, and I am not Marko.

    I thought about that when I posted it, but it was already too late. Sorry for confusion.

  8. THANKS to Marko for posting and especially to Jennifer for creating it. While this may not be a perfectly “balanced” compilation of all views about women in the church, I think that it accurately captures the way that the dominant church culture has historically viewed women outside of a narrow set of acceptable responsibilities. I also did not find that the quotes came across as stereotyping all men, but rather sought to paint a generally true picture.

    I have daughters, which has made me really re-evaluate many of the ways that I thought about women. I realize that in many ways, I still had these residual ways of thinking about what is better for men vs. women in arenas that should have not had any such “gender-bias”.

    I really think that Jennifer has done a top-notch job. I thought the use of individual women/girls interspersed with the quotes was so effective, as I thought about the given quote as applied to that individual girl, and then applied to my own daughters.

  9. Wow. Does this ever strike at my phobia as a male leader? It had me evaluating the mortality of our often deified religious leaders.
    I always desire to read the entirety of the context of each quote. Could it be that we are so easily moved from the plan of God. How much of our spiritual mores have we invented from our depravity? I suppose I have to wrestle this thing through again. Isn’t that our most daunting task as youth leaders and ministers. To wrestle in public with the concepts of an immortal God? Thanks

  10. Doug,

    I really hear you about context. Context is important and if you want, I can point you to the sources all of those quotes came from.

    My point in making this video was to invite others into my experience of receiving words like that…and to subtly say that those messages are still with us in some ways.

    I also wanted to point out that most Christian women, especially young women, just have no idea what the women before them have done. And those things are even more amazing in light of the cultures that have accepted very anti-woman thinking.

  11. I agree it should prove to be a good discussion stater. We’re seeing that here. One question I have though is why there were references to Plato and other Pagan philosophers if it’s about Women in Christianity? Liked the question about the alternate spiritualities though.

  12. Matt,

    Early Christianity (and, thus, what has been handed down to us too) was influenced strongly by the culture of the day….which was deeply influenced by Plato. Thats the only reason.

  13. Hi,
    I am so surprised to see people like you around. Just found the film myself and through the links to you. I am curious if you have already used the film in youth work as you suggest? How did it go?

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